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Granite Sink Cut Wrong?
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We recently had granite worktops fitted and we are disappointed with the cut for the 1.75 under-mount sink. The fitter asked in advance if we wanted the granite to overhang slightly, so yes this is what we wanted, I believe it is called a 'negative reveal'. However we expected the cut to follow the lines of the 1.75 sink and the negative reveal would be consistent and equal. When we questioned the cut, the fitter insisted that the cut he made was normal for this type of sink ...We can't find any pictures online with a 1.75 sink cut this way and think that we are getting fobbed off. Any thoughts?

Added for clarity ...The fitter did not refer to the manufacturer's tech drawings or specification at any point. He measured with a tape measure then cut and polished with an angle grinder ...hence the quality of the corners and the difference sized overhangs. The sink was onsite at the time so i think we have suffered from the restrictions of an onsite cut compared to proper template and factory cut.

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(28-12-2017, 03:33 PM)M00sealini Wrote: We recently had granite worktops fitted and we are disappointed with the cut for the 1.75 under-mount sink. The fitter asked in advance if we wanted the granite to overhang slightly, so yes this is what we wanted, I believe it is called a 'negative reveal'. However we expected the cut to follow the lines of the 1.75 sink and the negative reveal would be consistent and equal. When we questioned the cut, the fitter insisted that the cut he made was normal for this type of sink ...We can't find any pictures online with a 1.75 sink cut this way and think that we are getting fobbed off. Any thoughts?

According to the Smeg technical drawing found here the cutout looks correct
resim

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#3
As Daz points out the cut out looks correct according to Smeg.

However, for what it’s worth, in my opinion it doesn’t look correct aesthetically.  I would have wanted the cut indented to follow the lines of the smaller bowl.

BUT, I don’t think you will have a leg to stand on as all stone fabricators will follow manufacturers guidelines unless requested to do otherwise.

I would advise looking for a different sink which has a bowl and half that are the same depths .... Blanco Andano 340/180 U perhaps !!

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#4
It looks crap.
I would not be happy with it either.

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#5
I don't think the fitters have followed the cut out dimensions across the width.

342 + 30 + 181 = 553mm so to have that overhang is wrong. The depth of the cut really ought to be 401mm and it is anything but that.

It looks dreadful. I don't know how any fitter could walk away from that with a clear conscience or try to insist that is "normal".

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#6
I agree with Daniel, Olly & Stretch......it looks shit!

Smeg may well suggest that the worktop cut out is just a rectangle with radius corners, but how anyone in good conscience could walk away and say that looks good, wants shooting....! What and if the radius of those corners is supposed to be matching R15 as it states on their specification, then my arse is a banjo....!!!!!
Every radius looks like a different size... Doh

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#7
Anything smeg is a clint in my opinion  Cheers

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#8
I think that your templater has allowed for the overhang you specified without really considering how it would look with the 3/4 bowl. Technically this cutout is right (and to your specification) but it looks pretty rough. If your really unhappy you could ask them to rework it to make it bigger, but they would need to take it and put iron their cnc. Is it a big company? You may have more luck with a small friendly fabricator fabricator!

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#9
Actually those radius are never r15’s so it’s wrong!

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#10
The problem really is with the sink and not the installers if you ignore the poorly cut corners. It does look bad but it wouldn't have looked that great even if they had followed the line of the smaller sink as well. There would need to be two tight radii very close to each other and I think that may have looked just as bad. 

I avoid anything Smeg like the plague. I've read so many articles where they perform poorly in terms of reliability. That is the appliances but I have no reason to believe that they can't be just as inept with sinks. This would seem to back that up.

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(28-12-2017, 03:33 PM)M00sealini Wrote: We recently had granite worktops fitted and we are disappointed with the cut for the 1.75 under-mount sink. The fitter asked in advance if we wanted the granite to overhang slightly, so yes this is what we wanted, I believe it is called a 'negative reveal'. However we expected the cut to follow the lines of the 1.75 sink and the negative reveal would be consistent and equal. When we questioned the cut, the fitter insisted that the cut he made was normal for this type of sink ...We can't find any pictures online with a 1.75 sink cut this way and think that we are getting fobbed off. Any thoughts?

According to the Smeg technical drawing found here the cutout looks correct
resim

Thanks for your input. The fitter did not refer to the manufacturer's tech drawings at any point. He measured with a tape measure then cut and polished with an angle grinder. I didn't see his cowboy hat, but in hindsight i should have looked for it beforehand...I think we have suffered from the restrictions of an onsite cut compared to template and factory cut.

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#12
Not good. 

Not much of a leg to stand on with the template's due to them following instructions. Having said that they should have used there experience to notice the way it should be shaped if the sink was there onsite at the time.

Moving forward try to find a new sink to fit.

Smeg are rubbish for putting you in this postion.  They won't care though.

Is this another Wickeys special by any chance,there template's are useless

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#13
So they didn’t template this, they just cut it on site?! Sounds a bit odd! Is it quartz or Minerva/ Slabtech? Is it from wicked?

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#14
Blimey I’ve never heard of cutting under mount sinks by hand on site  Doh

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(29-12-2017, 11:25 AM)Daniel Wrote: Blimey I’ve never heard of cutting under mount sinks by hand on site  Doh

I find it odd as well Daniel,....but I believe Stretch & Claydon Lad use a company that do all the fabrication on site including the cut outs for undermount sinks.

The mess would concern me, & my clients I would have thought!

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#16
I would think by the quality of his work it may have looked a lot worse following the sinks extra radii, if he can't do simple internal corners, adding another 2 and 2 externals would look just as bad.

Did you ask for the drainer grooves on the left, usually they are on the small bowl side?

I would also be looking at how it is stuck to the quartz, ie just clear silicone and a prayer.

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(29-12-2017, 12:36 PM)PREM Wrote: I would think by the quality of his work it may have looked a lot worse following the sinks extra radii, if he can't do simple internal corners, adding another 2 and 2 externals would look just as bad.

Did you ask for the drainer grooves on the left, usually they are on the small bowl side?

I would also be looking at how it is stuck to the quartz, ie just clear silicone and a prayer.
Thanks for your input.

We actually asked for drainer grooves on both sides, but were advised otherwise on the day. The sink is not stuck on, it is trapped between the kitchen cabinet and the slab. We asked him not to silicon because we are expecting the section to be factory cut and replaced. 

This is our first kitchen replacement and experience with under mount sink and quartz ...the company seemed great with lots of excellent reviews and we expected quality work and good advice!

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(29-12-2017, 02:06 PM)M00sealini Wrote: We actually asked for drainer grooves on both sides, but were advised otherwise on the day. The sink is not stuck on, it is trapped between the kitchen cabinet and the slab. We asked him not to silicon because we are expecting the section to be factory cut and replaced. 

This is our first kitchen replacement and experience with under mount sink and quartz ...the company seemed great with lots of excellent reviews and we expected quality work and good advice!

it is worth noting that not following the technical drawing this will cause problems with some sink accessories like colanders and chopping boards that can be placed over and in the sinks when not in use.

With regards to the Quartz, was it all cut to size on site then?

Also regarding the sink mounting, I do not think trapping it between the cabinet and the slab is going to be as good as using the supplied fixing clips that clamp tight to the work surface.

Clips should look something like this:
resim

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(29-12-2017, 11:36 AM)snezza Wrote:
(29-12-2017, 11:25 AM)Daniel Wrote: Blimey I’ve never heard of cutting under mount sinks by hand on site  Doh

I find it odd as well Daniel,....but I believe Stretch & Claydon Lad use a company that do all the fabrication on site including the cut outs for undermount sinks.

The mess would concern me, & my clients I would have thought!

Oh yes, they left a mess in the driveway alright! ...not to mention a film of dust throughout the house. My wife's old Gramps was a building site foreman and always said "first check the dashboard in the workman's van, it is a true indicator of their workmanship" ...We will def be applying that rule from now on!

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#20
Ot oh!!! Is that for dust or tidiness.  Th_ROFLMAO

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