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Introduction to myself and the smallest ensuite ever I think!
#1
Hi all,
New to the forum and thought I'll introduce myself. Been a plasterer for many moons and now going going through the transition of fitting bathrooms and kitchens. Thought I'd start with an ensuite and would be grateful for opinions. I was told that the space I had was to small for an ensuite but never say never I think I proved my mates wrong. This has to be the smallest ensuite ever lol.
I hope the pictures come out alright.
Lex


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#2
excellent job
like the way you even squeezed in a wardrobe above the toilet in picture 5ROFL30h
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#3
(17-12-2013, 12:26 PM)big-all Wrote: excellent job
like the way you even squeezed in a wardrobe above the toilet in picture 5ROFL30h

LolROFL30hmy mates said it could not be done but you can even hang your trousers in there!!
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#4
heard about those sink above cisterns, does the water go into cistern or drain away?
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#5
(17-12-2013, 02:59 PM)rasta Wrote: heard about those sink above cisterns, does the water go into cistern or drain away?

they are water saving as well as space saving
they also have a bit off extra capacity for the sink drain off
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#6
Nice job ThumbUp

Welcome to the madhouse...
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#7
Good job …… I actually much prefer designing for small spaces that great big open rooms - much more challenging and rewarding ThumbUp

Welcome.
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#8
(17-12-2013, 02:59 PM)rasta Wrote: heard about those sink above cisterns, does the water go into cistern or drain away?

It goes into the cistern and then overflows into the bowl.
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#9
Hi Jingjok,

Welcome to the forums!

I'm going to be really critical now and I’m sorry for that Embarrassed I understand this is in your own home so always a good place to start but if you are going to branch out then a few things could have been done slightly better mate.

Firstly the positives, overall it does look nice and you always have to be a bit clever to make such small spaces work, let alone try and work in! So you certainly have one up on your mates LOL I find small bathrooms often take as long, or longer than ones that are twice their size. The other downfall with small spaces is that space saving suites often cost more than their full size counter parts but then I suppose they don't sell as many hence the increased cost. You've chosen a nice glass sliding door which takes up little space and looks nice, so another plus point. Although my personal choice would have been a glass pocket door. Similar sort of cost but not quite as much on show. Less is more so to speak. Sometimes this is not possible but seeing as no plumbing was present in the stud wall, it was an option.ThumbUp

I know you're a plasterer by trade and the temptation is always to apply your best skill in your work, however plastering bathrooms when they are to be fully tiled is not the best way forward. Firstly with regards to tile limits. Skimmed boards are rated lower than bare boards, 32kg per sqm for bare, 20kg for skimmed. The tiles you've used are relatively small by current trends so no real problem there, but I notice you used moisture resistant boards in the shower area, all well and good but by skimming them you have rendered that element null and void.

That said I wouldn't use moisture resistant boards at all anyway for a number of reasons, they are not good to skim on. They are not good to tile on and they aren't good enough in a wet area on their own. You are much better off using tile backer boards which are cement coated and do not break down in wet conditions. If you don't want to go to that expense then the other option is to use normal plasterboard and then tank it with a paint on solution such as BAL WP1, Mapeigum or Ardex WPC which is what I use in wet areas (Unless going the wet room route in which case it's a mechanical waterproof system such as ditra or dural)

In small rooms leaving space can sometimes give the impression of more space! But whilst your choice of shower enclosure does leave a little bit of extra floor space visible, the down sides are too great to do that. I'm guessing it's next to impossible to clean the glass or tiles on the left hand side of the enclosure? I'm going to guess that you went for a 900x 900 quad? You would have been better going for a 900x 900 square, or better still a 900x800 to give that extra elbow room as you walk in.

The tiling whilst looks good in the finished photos, there are a few faults I notice in the ungrouted pictures. Firstly the small square cut to the right of the mirror. This should have been an 'L' cut and part of the tile below, I’m sure you know this but thought it easier to do as you have done. Again fine in your own bathroom as you can live with it but poor in someone else’s bathroom where they have paid for a professional tile job. A pro tiler wouldn't have done that I’m afraid. Again whilst it looks OK in the photos, I notice in the unfinished pics that your cuts are slanted as opposed to straight, I’m going to put this done to maybe a cheap tile cutter, but again, all cut gaps should be equal to your grout lines, You also have tiles where your grout lines don't meet up (namely 2 tiles below the mirror)

Lastly with regards to the toilet. It could have been centered a little better although you may have done that on purpose to give wider access to the shower. The feed outlet for the cistern does look very unfinished. Not sure if you have anything planned for this? So won't bash it up too much.

Sorry mate, it does seem as though i'm slagging it off. I'm not, just trying to point you in the right direction. SorryBattered
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#10
CR,

Well done for saying all that without coming off like a t*at! Constructive criticism is hard to do right, especially on the internet. All valid points (most of which I for one hadn't noticed!) and well put.


JRB

PS - I used MR p'board in my en-suite at home (and got a bashing for it here) but since it was all clad in glass I figured it would be ok!
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#11
we also need to remember that most threads will be looked at 100s off times
so added information can save several people from making the same mistakeThumbUp
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#12
(18-12-2013, 09:47 AM)jonny round boy Wrote: CR,

Well done for saying all that without coming off like a t*at!

I didn't???

Damn it i'm losing my touchBangheadBangheadBanghead
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#13
(18-12-2013, 06:43 PM)Colour Republic Wrote:
(18-12-2013, 09:47 AM)jonny round boy Wrote: CR,

Well done for saying all that without coming off like a t*at!

I didn't???

Damn it i'm losing my touchBangheadBangheadBanghead

you came out off that with flying colours it was helpful in a freindly way
there will always be the chance off offending
but you got the balance spot on honest and fair without platitudes or being condicending

better to tell the truth in a friendly helpful way than possibly have it go wrong for others who read the thread
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#14
I like the sliding door and the hardware to be honest.
F*****l.... Cheaper than maffel
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#15
(18-12-2013, 08:50 PM)chip off the block Wrote: I like the sliding door and the hardware to be honest.

I suppose my own personal issue with them is that when they first came out they were high-end well crafted statement pieces and then as the years go by it gets copied and the quality goes and they came sometimes feel cheap under hand. From a style point if view it mimicks the sliding gear on the shower so a good choice of pairing to run the theme through. However again from a personal perspective I've seen those shower gears build up with limescale if not cleaned on a regular basis or the room well ventilated. But as I say that is a personal point of view and no reason why it won't work. ;)
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#16
(17-12-2013, 11:24 PM)Colour Republic Wrote: Hi Jingjok,

Welcome to the forums!

I'm going to be really critical now and I’m sorry for that Embarrassed I understand this is in your own home so always a good place to start but if you are going to branch out then a few things could have been done slightly better mate.

Firstly the positives, overall it does look nice and you always have to be a bit clever to make such small spaces work, let alone try and work in! So you certainly have one up on your mates LOL I find small bathrooms often take as long, or longer than ones that are twice their size. The other downfall with small spaces is that space saving suites often cost more than their full size counter parts but then I suppose they don't sell as many hence the increased cost. You've chosen a nice glass sliding door which takes up little space and looks nice, so another plus point. Although my personal choice would have been a glass pocket door. Similar sort of cost but not quite as much on show. Less is more so to speak. Sometimes this is not possible but seeing as no plumbing was present in the stud wall, it was an option.ThumbUp

I know you're a plasterer by trade and the temptation is always to apply your best skill in your work, however plastering bathrooms when they are to be fully tiled is not the best way forward. Firstly with regards to tile limits. Skimmed boards are rated lower than bare boards, 32kg per sqm for bare, 20kg for skimmed. The tiles you've used are relatively small by current trends so no real problem there, but I notice you used moisture resistant boards in the shower area, all well and good but by skimming them you have rendered that element null and void.

That said I wouldn't use moisture resistant boards at all anyway for a number of reasons, they are not good to skim on. They are not good to tile on and they aren't good enough in a wet area on their own. You are much better off using tile backer boards which are cement coated and do not break down in wet conditions. If you don't want to go to that expense then the other option is to use normal plasterboard and then tank it with a paint on solution such as BAL WP1, Mapeigum or Ardex WPC which is what I use in wet areas (Unless going the wet room route in which case it's a mechanical waterproof system such as ditra or dural)

In small rooms leaving space can sometimes give the impression of more space! But whilst your choice of shower enclosure does leave a little bit of extra floor space visible, the down sides are too great to do that. I'm guessing it's next to impossible to clean the glass or tiles on the left hand side of the enclosure? I'm going to guess that you went for a 900x 900 quad? You would have been better going for a 900x 900 square, or better still a 900x800 to give that extra elbow room as you walk in.

The tiling whilst looks good in the finished photos, there are a few faults I notice in the ungrouted pictures. Firstly the small square cut to the right of the mirror. This should have been an 'L' cut and part of the tile below, I’m sure you know this but thought it easier to do as you have done. Again fine in your own bathroom as you can live with it but poor in someone else’s bathroom where they have paid for a professional tile job. A pro tiler wouldn't have done that I’m afraid. Again whilst it looks OK in the photos, I notice in the unfinished pics that your cuts are slanted as opposed to straight, I’m going to put this done to maybe a cheap tile cutter, but again, all cut gaps should be equal to your grout lines, You also have tiles where your grout lines don't meet up (namely 2 tiles below the mirror)

Lastly with regards to the toilet. It could have been centered a little better although you may have done that on purpose to give wider access to the shower. The feed outlet for the cistern does look very unfinished. Not sure if you have anything planned for this? So won't bash it up too much.

Sorry mate, it does seem as though i'm slagging it off. I'm not, just trying to point you in the right direction. SorryBattered

ThumbUp This is fantastic the best and most constructive criticism i ever had on any of my jobs. I wont defend any of the comments as they are true and i will learn from them. i would rather hear them on my own home rather then a customers.
The tiles were quartz tiles and i used a grinder with stone bit. It was a nightmare to cut and it was all by hand and not machine cut. The little square you notice was because i broke the tile when cutting the L shape out but point taken i should have just used another tile. (they were not cheap hence the tightness)
I was going to go for the rectangle enclosure but thought it would appear smaller. I went for a shower screen with easy to remove doors so i could clean sides but in hindsight rectangle would have been better.
In a clients home i am more particular if i notice something im sure they will so i never cut corners.
Any tips on what i could do for the feeder would be grateful. I could just square it off. Its a tap so it needs to be able to move sideways.
Thanks again for taking the time to gun me down.....i mean educate me. Rather you then a unhappy customer.
I did a kitchen for a friend which i will post up. Would appreciate the criticism on that as well
Thanks again for your time.
LesCheers

(18-12-2013, 09:38 PM)Colour Republic Wrote:
(18-12-2013, 08:50 PM)chip off the block Wrote: I like the sliding door and the hardware to be honest.

I suppose my own personal issue with them is that when they first came out they were high-end well crafted statement pieces and then as the years go by it gets copied and the quality goes and they came sometimes feel cheap under hand. From a style point if view it mimicks the sliding gear on the shower so a good choice of pairing to run the theme through. However again from a personal perspective I've seen those shower gears build up with limescale if not cleaned on a regular basis or the room well ventilated. But as I say that is a personal point of view and no reason why it won't work. ;)

Thanks for your comments so far i have had the shower in for 2 month and i love having a power shower in the house.
I installed a new pump and put in a larger cylinder as i will put a new power shower in the bathroom down stairs.
Your right about the limescale it now gets cleaned every couple of days to keep on top of it. I put the 1 light/fans and wished i put two. I will be adding a second one after christmas.
Thanks for taking the time to comment its appreciated.
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#17
Hi Jingjok, I would like to ask a few questions if possible as I think you have created a really neat en-suit. Thinking of doing something very similar. 

What size is the room? Also could you post a finished pic, as the ones on this page only show half completed and for some reason the other will not display.

What size shower tray did you use?  is there anything you would have done differently?

Cheers

Rus
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#18
Since the guy only came here to show us his en suite 5 years ago and hasn't posted again I doubt you'll be getting the answers you're after.
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#19
Yes, maybe. But I checked his personal profile and he logged in yesterday. So I hope he will respond. I thought best to post on his thread rather than just pm him. Thanks for your concern though pjk
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